I'm really not sure what to say about this week's topic. I'm not exactly sure what it is I'm supposed to write about. Do I feel old? Not really; sometimes I do, maybe when I'm talking to people younger than me, like my younger brother, who's ten years younger than I (when I realize he will be 17 this year, that *does* make me feel slightly "old"), but most of the time, actually, I feel very young. I am the youngest person where I work.
I can't really look at pop culture and decide whether or not that makes me young or old- I have almost always derided most things that are "popular." Anymore, things that are popular have a shelf life of a few days, so trying to keep up with what's hip, for someone with a job and a life, would be impossible. I do get nostaligic sometimes- once a year I will listen to 80s music for a couple of days and get nostalgic for being young and riding in my mom's car, listening to shitty mix stations on the radio. But that only lasts a couple of days. Personally, I hate nostalgia. It's like a disease.
The only thing that makes me feel "old" in a strange way is when I look at people I know and what they are doing. The main thing is that I am still in college, and won't be graduating until I am 28. That makes me feel, not necessarily old, but kinda crappy. I got started late; I hated LCCC, but had to get a full-time job so commuting out of town was not happening, and more flexible classes like hybrid courses or distance learning weren't as widely known or available, so I didn't go to school. Then I screwed around for a few years. I always knew I'd go back, but I waited a little longer than I wanted to. My hometown also sucked the life out of me. My big "growing-up" moment came when I finally decided to stop screwing around, and that meant moving away from my hometown. Then I started going back to school. Plus it took me that long to figure out exactly what I wanted to do, which I'm glad I did- had I just gone to school for whatever, I would likely be very unhappy now. I managed to figure out what I wanted to do, and now I am hugely passionate about it and very happy with it. But it took a while. Which I think is not abnormal. But it does make me feel "old" in relation to some of my friends who got their degrees already. Though I did manage to get lucky and get a job where I got promoted to making a decent living while I am in school. I don't know if it makes me feel "old" just as much as regretful that it took me so long to get my shit together.
I also feel strange when I think about the people I know who are my age and younger who got married. Usually, I feel like I am still way too young to do that- but sometiems, and this is probably due to where I grew up (rural, conservative, old-fashoined), sometimes it does make me feel old, since I haven't made some sort of huge life committment like getting married (that being the primary one), or buying a house, etc. But when I consider that almost every single one of my friends who got married got a divorce, and the few that didn't have had a hard time in their marriage and have thought about divorcing or getting separated, and all those horror stories, I feel vindicated. People these days are not getting married so quickly. I read an article a few years ago that talked about how "adolescence" is lasting well into the mid and late twenties (and it would probably tell you something about me to know that I saved that Time magazine issue and still have it). People aren't jumping right into a career right after high school, and people aren't sticking with one career or employer for their entire lives. Maybe it's natural, since people live a little longer. Who knows. But I don't feel old. Yet.
But I can say that I like myself now *infinitely* more than I did, say, six years ago. Six years ago I wouldn't even tuck in my shirt, not for anything. I think I didn't even tuck in my shirt for a job interview once. I refused to "dress up." I hated it. Now, I literally have about 75 ties. I realized a couple of weeks ago that 95% of my clothes are "dress" clothes; I had to go out and buy a new pair of jeans and some t-shirts. At work, when I started, my position didn't require a shirt and tie, but I wore them anyways because I really wanted to (and I got promoted to management- the old bromide "dress for success" must mean something). That's one way that I can see how much I've changed. Besides other personal things, such as my confidence level, my shyness, etc., which have also changed.
As far as using pop culture as a guage to see if one is old or young, that's not helpful for me. I've always liked things that are beneath the radar. If anything, the desire to seek out strange, obscure and eclectic music (and movies, though I don't get to watch a lot of movies) has only gotten stronger- I think this has a direct link to the other, more boring parts of my life. I mean, I almost exclusively read political and policy books (for fun!) and I watch an extensive amount of C-Span and news shows and read dozens of political blogs every day. So my musical and movie tatste have increasingly become more and more eclectic and strange.
It's all relative, I guess. I'm the youngest at work, yet often I act the most mature. Everyone has a different definintion of what is young and old. One thing, I will say, that does make me very acutely aware of my advancing age (though does not necessarily make me feel "old") is that I haven't "done" a lot of things that I'd like to do. I'm not "disappointed" with my life, but I haven't got to do a lot. For one thing, I never leave Florida. I haven't left the state of Florida in probably ten years. In my defense, Florida is not an easy state to get out of. From where I live, it would take me close to 9 or 10 hours to leave Florida, and then it's Georgia, which doesn't excite me. And I just haven't had the money/resources to fly places. I just haven't been able to do a whole lot. Of course, that doesn't bother me too much- I plan to vacation somewhere this year, and plan to move out of Florida altogether next year. Other things that I have never done, and am probably now a little past the point where I should start to try them, are things like drugs or something. But seriously, I probably haven't done as much as I'd like to have done by this age, but that doesn't make me feel too horrible. I'm stretching here.
I'm not sure if this is what I was supposed to write about. It's a tough one. I'm very introspective, but I don't spend any time thinking about old and young. There are times when I feel very young, as I can be extremely silly, and I work with people older than me. And there are times when I feel like I am getting older, like when I'm around people younger than myself. There have been moments where I have suddenly felt like I'm too old for my age, as all I do is go to work and then read about politics and public policy- so then I'll feel a need to do something to offset that, or feel the need to reevaluate what I'm doing or something. But those are fleeting moments. It has been a bit of a fight within myself at times to do what I feel is right, and not something based on different perceptions of old and young; where I grew up, it's very old fashioned- people ask "when are you getting married" etc. But, I moved to an urban area, and that sort of attitude is not very prevalent- most people here have told me not to get married until I am older, and most of my co-workers, while older than me, are single. So whatever, I do what I'm gonna do.
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It always wierds me out when I go back to l.c. and see how many young ppl are married (or divorced) and have kids there. I was lucky enough (okay, it wasn't luck. I worked my ass off to do it.) to leave for college right after graduation and so in the circles I've been in since then no one gets married young. Only now that I'm halfway through 25 am I starting to know people who are thinking of getting married. Because of this, I've always sort of seen getting married young as a sign of immaturity rather than a sign of adulthood. I think it's very important to have a few more years and a lot more self-awareness behind you before you can make an informed decision about marriage and children, and you make a great point, Nick, that people who get married young do seem to have a high rate of divorce. I'd be curious to see some stats on that.
On pop culture...for me, a growing interest in current events and politics has been been one of the major markers of maturity. I remember asking Mr. Conner why we had to study current events in history class because I was annoyed that I had to keep up with the news*, but now I'm much more interested in what's actually going on in the world than I am in what's on tv (which I don't even have anymore). I mean, I still keep up with the indie music and movie scenes, but I couldn't tell you what the hell is going on with Justin Timberlake or what's happened on 24 since the second season (which I only saw because Glenn was my roommate and borrowed the dvds from someone). I think it's not unfair to say that having an awareness of and interest in the actual events that actually shape our lives (law, war, etc.) is a marker of adultivity. By that measure, Nick, I'd say you're pretty grown up after all. That, and man you own a lot of ties! How could you possibly need so many ties?
Furthermore, I'd like to add that I really like being 25. I've shed the self-consciousness and general cluelessness of being very young, but I can still have fun and get drunk on a Friday without feeling guilty or regretful. It's a pretty nice age, I think. But then again, that's just like my opinion, man.
*In case anyone was wondering, Mr. Conner's answer was something like, "because today's current events are tomorrow's history." Good ole Mr. Conner.
I have to say the clothing thing is interesting. I would almost say that it's because you like your job, and wanted to get ahead, and I guess that's a sign of maturity - to give up on the rebellion and realize that people do care about what you look like, and it's not always just about ability.
The library for me is like a stop-gap. I don't really care about the job as much as I should, so I don't care about what I wear. Maybe if I got the position I want, or got another job I would try harder to look nice - I at least always put forth the effort at job interviews.
And as far as the topic, well I tried to make it vague enough that everyone had something to write about. I think yours is a great post (though maybe better if you didn't previously post it in most of the comments).
I love my ties; I obviously don't need that many of them. But every time I am in a clothing store, I end up buying one.
I don't think my ideas about clothing changed due to this job- I didn't have any idea that how I dressed would get me "ahead," and I was sort of joking when I said that; I was promoted because of how I did my job. I just noticed a striking difference between the me of a few years ago, who would refuse to tuck in my shirt, no matter if it was for work, if I was going to church, a job interview, etc. Now I love dressing for work, and I get way too excited when I buy a new tie, or whatever- and one difference between myself and, say, Jane, for example, is that I don't feel too grownup when I do it, and I don't feel like I should compensate by buying something to offset it- I actually didn't realize I had no casual clothes until recently and had to buy some t-shirts and whatnot for the weekends or after work.
I don't know if being interested in politics and current events is a mark of maturity. I didn't get into it for any reason other than I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life and what I'd like to go to school for, and it finally dawned on me that, when I worked at the library, I used to always read the political books when I was supposed to be working and I started to really like the TV show The West Wing for some reason. Turns out I was interested in politics.
I do tend to write about stuff during the week in comments- usually I try not to re-hash the same stuff in my post, but when you are posting at the end of the week, it's hard not to comment on everyone's posts. It would suck to just not comment because I'm saving it up. I think there was new stuff here though. I guess I just don't think about old and young too much. It's all relative, and everyone has a different definition of old and young, which changes are one gets older.
I just realized that I forgot to leave this funny and somewhat related joke that I read the other day. It goes like this: "One day my boss told me to 'Dress for the job you want, not the job you have,' so the next day I showed up for work in a Mets uniform."
I totally used to have a crush on Mr. Conner.
Also, Nick - what's with the GA bashing? Er....
I don't really have much interest in politics. But I don't think I'm very mature.
I agree that I also see getting married young a sign of immaturity. Get a degree, first, people!
Jane used to have a crush on Conner and I shuddered when I read his name...generation gap?
Just kidding, Jane.
(Actually, the only class I ever had with Conner was also the only class I ever had with Laurie.)
I liked Mr. Conner. Yeah, he made me memorize annoying things like the names and capitals of all the "former C.I.S. states," but he taught me a lot of important life stuff. And I kind of had a crush on him, too. That's two against one, Caitlin. We win.
Who the hell is Mr. Conner?
I don't think someone has to have a degree before getting married or making a committment or something. I don't even think it's necessarily important for people to get a degree. I often question my own desire to do so- I have been promoted into a position where I make about as much as many people I know who got degrees in things such as teaching, library science, etc., if not more- and once I get my degree, I will have racked up debt into the $20,000 range from student loans. I am interesting in getting a degree because I'm interested in learning and I'm interested in being able to get into high levels within my chosen career, but certainly having a degree doesn't always mean a whole hell of a lot.
And I'm not "bashing" GA, per se. I know you live there, Jane. I'm just saying there's not a whole hell of a lot of different between North Florida and most of Georgia (with a few obvious exceptions) and that goes for other areas in the South like Alabama, etc. Why the hell would I want to go there?
You could vacation in Houston, you know.
Dude, I know who Mr. Conner is and I never had him for a teacher. Of course maybe that's just b/c I was friends with Laurie and she had a crush on him apparently.
And I have to say that GA isn't exactly on my top 10 places to visit either. Though I suppose if Jane would stay in the States long enough, I would have reason to.
I am actually planning to eventually visit you in Texas. Texas might be different enough that I'd want to visit. But Georgia, not so much. Sorry. What's the difference between North Florida and Georgia?
What's the difference between North Florida and Georgia?
I don't know anyone in Waycross other than my mom. Trust me, that's a big plus. I know way too many people in LC. Every time I went to Wal-Mart I'd have to hide from people.
Caitlin - Your brother felt the same way about Mr. Conner, and it seriously bugged him that I liked the man.
I'd like to think that Matty and I have different reasons for our feelings! He was an ok teacher. I was disappointed to find that he had taken all his lectures from the Barron's AP guide, though.
But I aced the exam, and it's at least partly due to his teaching. I was just annoyed/turned off when I went to visit him and borrow a book the next year and he called me "baby." WTF?
About Caitlin's "baby" incident- I'm pretty sure by that year Mr. Conner was deeply entrenched in a mid-life crisis so maybe that had something to do with it. That is kind of creepy tho.
Also, Matt was in Mr. Conner's American History class with me and I'm fairly certain that Mr. Conner hated him, too.
Meanwhile, I had to have American History (and AP AmerHist) with creepy old Mr. Mont. I'd much rather have had Mr. Conner call me baby than have Mr. Mont feeling me up all the damn time. Yuck. That was one crepy old man.
creepy, not crepy.
Awww...I never thought Mr. Mont was creepy. I loved his class! Usually if he touched me it was a slap on the back or some death squeeze on my shoulder - like he was passive-aggressively beating me up.
Yeah, I didn't even have Mr. Mont and I was completely creeped out by him. That was one seriously weird old man.
Mr. Mont = Creepy, for sure. I always cringed when he touched me -- you would think that he would have stopped. (you would also think that I would have asked him to stop.)
Melissa
Mr. Mont did the same thing to the guys. So at least it wasn't just girls that he "creeped out." I never thought he was creepy- I just thought that some people are more "touchy feely." I didn't get creeped when female teachers touched me (even the gross ones). I think it's just some people are more...open about touch. In my family, we didn't touch each other often, if ever, so I am extremely averse to being too touchy feely.
Something about the fact that Mr. Mont would rub my arm in what seemed a very intimate way - keep in mind that most of the time that he was my teacher, I'd never had a boyfriend - and it just creeped me out. I mean, he was like a substantially taller and substantially less cool Yoda. Of course like Melissa said, you would also think that I would have asked him to stop, which I didn't. A friend of mine (Becky R)used to shout - very loudly - Don't Touch Me! whenever he would touch her... and after a while he pretty much left her alone. I was always embrrassed when she would shout, because everyone would look, but at the same time I was proud of her for doing it when I didn't have the courage.
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